Bible college failure: training Christians to work in a system which no longer works

Roger Saner's picture

My friend Sean Tucker recently wrote that of the 32 people who started out with him in his 1st year class at Baptist Theological College only 3 of them are now Pastors in churches. That's 9% of the class! These aren't your ordinary Christians either - these are people who were so convinced of G-d's call on their life that they committed to studying theology and preparing for the pastorate. These aren't the "weddings and funeral" people, or the "attend church once a month" people, or the "attend church weekly" Christians, or even the more involved "we have leadership roles in the church" people. These are the most committed - those who are preparing for a lifetime of service within a church, because they feel called to this as their vocation - and only 9% are currently doing that as Pastors!

I find that shocking...and I'm not pointing fingers at Baptist College either. I was one of those people in Sean's first year class - and I loved my time at college. I met great people, my mind and practice were engaged, I was mentored and accepted, and served too. My classmates were great people - and we had lots of fun (including the table tennis tournament, which I'll proudly admit to winning! I don't know if it is continuing - I hope so). The institution was well-run and was (and is) respected by most Baptist churches.

The issue isn't with Baptist College or Baptists - it is a systemic issue affecting the whole (South African) church. People are being trained to work within a system which no longer works.

Baptist College didn't turn enthusiastic Christians into cynical backsliders either. Consider Sean's first year class again:

...these guys are some of the most Godly people I know. One is running a school for handicapped orphans in the Drakensberg. Three are teaching English in the Far East. I recently watched a film made by one of the guys of the slums in Kenya which he made to create awareness of the situation there. One guy works running an AIDS clinic in East London. One guy trains teams to travel to churches and build up their youth ministries. One guy runs as sports ministry to under privileged kids. I could go on but the point is that they all struggle with Western Institutional Church… not because they don’t love God and what He’s trying do, but maybe because they love what He wants to do so much that they won’t give up on the dream of a restored world, and swap it out for Institutional mediocrity. When I take a look at the big picture; what they do feels more like Jesus.

Our church system is broken - or at least wounded and limping. For those for whom it works, that's great - keep on doing what you're doing and impacting the people you're impacting. The work you are doing is important, and needed. Churches will keep on changing lives and transforming people, and G-d will continue to use them in the work He is going in South Africa.

This fact should also be realised against the backdrop of what is actually taking place within the South African church and it's relationship to non-Christian society. People who aren't Christians simply don't care about the questions the Church wants them to ask. For instance, take the outline of the Alpha Course, the de facto standard for evangelism and discipleship in many churches. The course pre-supposes that people are interested in the questions it asks and interested in Christianity, but the post-Christian world isn't.

I stopped in at the Holistic Fair in Observatory, Cape Town last weekend, and amongst the esoteric books I discovered a work of non-fiction which can tell me the secret about how an advanced race of reptilian super-beings from another dimension has been controlling our reality for millenia. When I mocked that ridiculous concept to my wife, she paused, and said, "Most people think of Jesus in just the same way."

That gave me pause for thought.

On one hand, we have the Church as we know it, which trains its people to ask only the questions it can answer. On the other, we have a growing group of post-Christians who look at the church as some sort of quaint, odd place where closed-minded people go to feel good about discriminating against those who are different to them (don't believe me? Ask a non-Chrisitian - or a student in Philosophy 101 - what they honestly think about church).

Doesn't it make sense for the missions-minded church to train it's best and brightest to be missionaries to a foreign culture? Of course, the church has been doing that for centuries, except that in the past the missionaries were sent far away, to other countries which were probably uncivilised, or at least not Christian. But now that the "foreign un-Christian culture" is outside our doorstep, now that the missions-sending-impulse of Christianity is subjected to the critique of post-Apartheid South Africa, what now?

Given this reality, the church either continues to train it's best to serve as missionaries elsewhere, or it trains them to maintain the current system. Neither option is good enough: what we need is for all Christians to be trained as missionaries, and to have a cross-cultural post-colonial mindset.

Show me the South African church which is doing that, and I'll show you the church of the future.

Show me a South African church who is investing resources in young Christians who aren't yet conditioned by the institutional soul-killer of "This is how we've always done things," and is giving them permission to innovate without boundaries, and I'll show you the future of the church in South Africa.

In the meantime, we have people entering pastoral training knowing they won't become pastors (or discovering it along the way), simply because they have a missions mindset - but they don't want to leave South Africa and serve elsewhere. The church (on a systemic level) does not know how to engage its own neighbourhood missionally, and so these trainees know they cannot operate missionally within the local church at a leadership level.

So they do not. They may become a part of a local church, or they may not, but goodness knows they're not going to be pastors - because they're not into maintenance, they're into mission. And until mission becomes the main focus of the Church, post-Christians will continue to be bemused by this prejudiced-religion-club, and the most forward-thinking Christians will find themselves straining against the institutional confines of a once influential and innovative community.

Which is why out of Sean's 1st year class at Baptist Theological College, only 3 out of 32 people are currently pastors. Baptist Union, take note. South African denominations, take note. You may disagree with my diagnosis of the problem, and you may not think there are systematic issues with the church, or that Apartheid or post-Christian society has anything to do with it, but you cannot disagree with the numbers: the amount of people your colleges are training is less than the amount of people required to maintain your churches. What are you going to do about it?

[This whole post was sparked by reading Sean's blog, In Recovery. Sean is trained as a Baptist pastor and has been involved in church-based work pretty much his whole life. Recently he left the Anglican church where he was youth pastor, and is heading into the wide world of, well, non-church, which also means finding a job outside of the church (as someone who has mainly theological training). You can follow his journey at http://seantuck.wordpress.com/]

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Where are they now?

Roger Saner's picture

If anyone from that (now famous) first year class is reading this, please leave a comment and let us know what you're doing!

Comment by Roger Saner on May 6th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

New understanding

Fourie's picture

I have recently started reading a blog where a number of believers (and non-believers) have started to try unravel what Jesus meant for us to do. The conversation focuses on everyday things, and have also started to turn away from the aspects traditionally associated with church and church-goers. Definitely worth a read. See http://doubtfuldiaries.blogspot.com.

Comment by Fourie (not verified) on May 27th, 2009 at 8:22 am

Interesting!

Roger Saner's picture

I like your blog, Fourie - and especially the big about Mandlebrot! Fractals are a great way to represent what faith in G-d is all about - very simple at one level, immensely complex at another, and then simple again, in an infinitely recursive way.

What would you describe as the biggest shifts in your thinking and practice as you've been unraveling Jesus' purpose for us?

Comment by Roger Saner on May 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am

Somewone wrote a book on my

backslider's picture

Somewone wrote a book on my year. I thought he should perhaps have done a follow-up study to see where most of them are now.

Perhaps appropriately, your new blog software called me "backslider" in my last comment.

Comment by backslider on May 27th, 2009 at 11:13 am

You backslider!

Roger Saner's picture

Sorry about that - although I've installed blog software which jumps out of the computer screen and automatically profiles people's spiritual status and assigns them a name based on that, that's probably a little invasive. I've removed it and now you can properly identify yourself! Fourie, I'm guessing?

Where do you think most of the people in your year are now?

Comment by Roger Saner on May 29th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

export, maintenance, or mission?

Nic Paton's picture

Roger -
nice new look, those chevrons which have brought misery to many are no longer the logs in our eye they once were. I also note the ocean in the background of your photo, mmm salty!

Good probing honest post. My story is worse: out of my Bible college (Rhema 1982) there is at least one suicide, and many a complete shipwreck of faith. Like you I am not blaming the college for unresolved personal issues, but I am saying that the paradigm it peddled (Jesus wants to save the world from God who regretably has to throw them into hell if they don't have a ticket) had no power to reach the deeper problems, even without the overt cultural myopia traditional "missions" training brings into the mix.

I'm reading Brian McLarens "Everything must change". It the clearest statement yet pertaining to the evangel of the future. As you know he has spent the last deacade deconstructing and reconstructing many of our worldview issues and their attendant theologies. In EMC he comes to mission is a most comprehensive way.

This is a cracking observation:

"The church either continues to train it's best to serve as missionaries elsewhere, or it trains them to maintain the current system. Neither option is good enough: what we need is for all Christians to be trained as missionaries, and to have a cross-cultural post-colonial mindset."

For me, helping people to reconnect in a generous, non-selfish way with their own passion, is vital to mission. If you do what you really want to do, and to the glory of G-d, that is powerful mission. If you want to VJ, dive right in. If you want to build houses, do it. If you want to feed refugees, create some structures. If you want to write, make it happen.

It's all about authenticity. Authentically ourselves, authentically friends, and authentically creating the work of the people - liturgy. This will not happen while we continue to invest our energy staving off or "saving" "the world", perpetuate churchly subculture, hold back in fear of non-conformity, or avoid the real questions which emerge from this time and this place in which we find ourselves.

Comment by Nic Paton (not verified) on May 29th, 2009 at 10:32 am

backslider, moi?

Nic Paton's picture

Oi howcome I have been awarded the dubiuous status of "backslider"? It's your friend, Nic.

Jeesh, paranoid xenophobic exclusivist or what?

Comment by Nic Paton (not verified) on May 29th, 2009 at 10:34 am

Feel Your Pain

penfire's picture

Dear Brother Nic,

There are other Christians feeling the pain you feel for where the church seems to be stuck. When I say church, I mean organized religion.

I have met some wonderfully authentic apostolic Christians in India, serving in a region hostile to Christianity, yet serving humbly and hands on; meeting the needs, or striving to, of the poorest or the poor; the powerless' of the powerless. I have recently learned of the Dahlits in India who are in the same category that blacks were in the 1800's in America and England, and Christians who are like Witherspoon and those Christians in the early church; it is, indeed, exciting; and I want to be a part of their workd and their church.

Also, I just found an article I would like to share with you that I think might be helpful to you concerning your present misery:

http://www.crosswalk.com/devotionals/pastors/day-by-day/

I pray this will help you; especially the scripture it is based on from II Peter 1:5-11. I especially think we should all read these verses slowly and try to digest them mentally and spirtually; note the virtues that come first, and how they are built upon. If we get hung up at either plane we will stagnate and come to the state of spiritual malaise that I think describes our status as "church" today. It needs to be revitalised, but first we must undergo this kind of growth defined by Peter, the little rock who finally got it right !

Comment by penfire (not verified) on Jul 11th, 2009 at 5:01 am

Theology students on a mission

carcinoid's picture

Am I correct in thinking that Graeme is also one of the 81%? If so, I'm glad he's not glued to a pulpit.

Comment by carcinoid (not verified) on Jun 8th, 2009 at 2:02 pm

Um...ok

Roger Saner's picture

Yes, you're right - Graeme is not working as a pastor in a Baptist church. He's in the corporate world, helping businesses understand how to navigate change.

Comment by Roger Saner on Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:29 am

Baptist Theological College

Willem Bronkhorst's picture

Hi Roger,

I agree that the new look is great.

Thank you also for your comments on Baptist Theological College and the link to Sean Tucker's post. These posts are truly heart-rending and, having just accepted a call to be the "new look" Registrar of BTC from Jan. 2010 (I shall also be heading the Pastoral track and be the P.R.O. of BTC) your posts have caused me to seriously reflect on the statements made and sentiments reflected therein. I think they call for a response from me. I have done some background research with regard to the contents of these posts and I am doing some serious reflection on the data. I hope you will not think me reactionary if I just say, for now, that I think at least some of these statements and sentiments seem to operate from definite theological presuppositions that can be subjected to considerable critical challenge. I hope, if my workload permits to indicate this in more detail in due time.

May I also ask if you (and perhaps Sean too) would be willing to let me hear you in more detail over a cup of coffee sometime, somewhere?

Comment by Willem Bronkhorst (not verified) on Jun 9th, 2009 at 10:43 pm

Absolutely!

Roger Saner's picture

Congratulations on your new appointment, Willem - I hope it'll be a positive and enriching move for you :)

I'll gladly take you up on your coffee offer! I've moved to Cape Town (which is where Sean is - although I'm sure he's open to a skype or phone chat) but am in Joburg until early July, so let's get together.

I welcome critique on any of my critique-able theological presuppositions - which will be a lot, I'm sure :) Whether that's online or over coffee makes no difference to me, although my gut feeling is let's do that over coffee rather. I may come across quite strong in terms of my opinions on church in general and Baptists specifically - if so, that's not because I dislike either, but precisely because I want to see both be healthy and thrive into the future.

Theological education needs to change - we simply aren't equipping our pastors well-enough in the every-day operation of an organisation (and I use that term loosely) of a church. Less Biblical Greek and more empowerment training! (Or maybe there's a way to do both). And regardless of how pastors are trained, there are less people coming into that training (and making it out intact) than the church requires...

Anyway, let me know when and where for coffee. Next week will be tight; the week after is better for me.

Comment by Roger Saner on Jun 10th, 2009 at 12:26 am

Thank you, Roger

Willem Bronkhorst's picture

Hi Roger,

Thank you for the gentle tone of your reply. I like the sound of your heart. As the new registrar and head of pastoral theology I would like to learn from the mistakes of our past. You guys are a mine of valuable lessons and I would greatly treasure your helping me understand better the challenges and requirements with regard to training pastors. I'll check out the possibility for a trip to Randburg week after next and let you know. Thank you also for your kind wishes.

Regards,

Willem

Comment by Willem Bronkhorst (not verified) on Jun 10th, 2009 at 10:22 am

Look forward to it :)

Roger Saner's picture

Cool - I'll email you and we can get coffee going.

Comment by Roger Saner on Jun 10th, 2009 at 1:59 pm

hey roger, just happening

Louise 's picture

hey roger,
just happening upon your blog, you should read a book called 'Surprised by truth' by Patrick Madrid, I think it would add something interesting to your discussion around church and theology.
Hope to catch up sometime properly.
Louise :)

Comment by Louise (not verified) on Nov 24th, 2009 at 3:52 pm

Hey Louise, glad you stopped

Roger Saner's picture

Hey Louise, glad you stopped by! Hope all is going well in creative-land for you :)

The book you suggested has an interesting title - a bit of a hat-tip to C.S. Lewis's "Surprised by Joy" there. What would you say is the most valuable thing it would add to this discussion around church and theology?

Comment by Roger Saner on Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:32 pm

Willem...

John Deere's picture

There goes the BTC .....

Comment by John Deere (not verified) on Jan 28th, 2010 at 11:09 am

BTC

Willem Bronkhorst's picture

John Deere,

?

Willem

Comment by Willem Bronkhorst (not verified) on Feb 17th, 2010 at 9:29 am

Clear up please.

Willem Bronkhorst's picture

John Deere,

Could you clear up your comment for me, please?

Regards

Willem Bronkhorst

Comment by Willem Bronkhorst (not verified) on Feb 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 am

I think he's being silly,

Roger Saner's picture

I think he's being silly, Willem! How's it going at BTC, by the way?

Comment by Roger Saner on Mar 3rd, 2010 at 11:11 pm

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