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Sean's new blog
Posted by: Roger Saner on 24 Aug, 2009
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How to talk when we don't agree - an object lesson from President Obama
Posted by: Graeme on 20 May, 2009
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Where I've been
Posted by: Graeme on 20 May, 2009
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The call
Posted by: Graeme on 24 Mar, 2009
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This blog eats comments for breakfast! (and lunch...and supper)
Posted by: Roger Saner on 24 Mar, 2009
Rest assured, your comments are saved in a temporary table in the database, which with a lot of manual work I can make them "live". It's just tedious and time-consuming I only get around to it every few months.
Man, I wish I'd chosen a different platform back in 2004 when I started this site. Wordpress would've been good...BLOG:CMS is just horrible.
So the solution is to upgrade. The only problem is that I haven't found a clean upgrade path (i.e. making sure posts AND comments are preserved in all the right places) yet. So it's either waiting until one is available, coding one myself, or somehow importing the comments later.
In the meantime, you can email your comments to me - roger [at] futurechurch dot co dot za - along with the url of the post you're commenting on - and I'll put them up.
And if anyone wants to sponsor a site upgrade...
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Simple/Organic Church Seminar with Neil Cole - Sat 21 March, Midrand
Posted by: Roger Saner on 15 Mar, 2009
Neil is the author of Organic Church and co-author of Beyond Church Planting: Pathways for Emerging Churches with Dr. Robert Logan.
This one day seminar is Neil's only event in Gauteng. It is scheduled for Saturday 21 March at the Coventant Life Church in Midrand from 9:00 - 16:00.
Contact person: David Broodryk
Tel: 083 - 289 3495 or 011 - 318 2499
Email: david at kingdompeople dot co dot za
Get more detail on this event here:
Kingdom People Special events
Facebook event
Background info about Kingdom People and All Nations:
Kingdom People
All Nations
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Zimbabwe Needs Our Help
Posted by: Roger Saner on 08 Mar, 2009
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Four "lanes" of the emerging church
Posted by: Graeme on 07 Mar, 2009
If you've done any reading on the emerging church, you'll probably know the name Mark Driscoll. He has distanced himself from "Emergent", the voice of emerging church in the USA. But he nevertheless still considers himself as "emerging", although he prefers the label "Reformed Missional" or "Emerging Reformers".
The video can be found at YouTube (click here). Or see below.
I think he is overly critical of the "fourth lane", which he labels the "Emerging Liberals". He is incorrect about Rob Bell, for example, who does NOT say that we can get rid of the virgin birth. It's interesting. Driscoll says in this video below that "they are asking questions that no pastors should be asking". Maybe that's the big difference here. Reformed guys think that some issues should not be discussed, and that all Truth (with a capital T) has already been discovered (i.e. we are not wrong on any major issues right now in the history of the church). Anyone who is open to having conversations about this is labelled a liberal, and is seen as dangerous.
You decide.
But, here, at least is Driscoll's video. I don't buy into his analysis of the "emerging liberals", but it probably fairly represents the concern most people have with the "emerging church".
Read more
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It was all Greek (Orthodoxy) to me
Posted by: Roger Saner on 02 Mar, 2009
The service was beautiful, full of imagery and ritual. I was particularly struck by the use of gold in the paintings and icons - unexpected beauty in one of the less beautiful neighbourhoods in Joburg.
Some of the liturgy was in Afrikaans and there was much use of the space in the church - not just the front but the whole building, as the priests processed through it at various times. The choir singing was beautiful and reminded me of the chanting of the Benedictine Monks at uMaria weThemba in Grahamstown.
To help prepare the non-Orthodox visitors for what goes on at Vespers, Steve posted Notes from underground: Sunday of the Publican and Pharisee with links to resources on Orthodox Vespers.
The Greek Orthodox church is one of the three main streams in Christianity (the other two being Catholic and Protestant) and is the stream I know least about. It was tempting to bring a critical eye to bear on my lone Orthodox experience and to then apply that to all Orthodoxy everywhere, but that's not fair! And so during the service I kept reminding myself to come back to the present, to be present to what was happening although it was different, and search for G-d within it.
It was great to see Cobus and Maryke (now married - congratulations!), as well as Reggie Nel, Andries Louw and Arthur Stewart there...and of course, the Nieu Communities apprentices for 2009.
After the service we had a conversation with everyone who attended about what the service was about and I enjoyed the format of being able to ask any question we wanted to. More churches can learn from this way of welcoming strangers.
Although most of the service was Greek to me (*sigh* that's really weak, I know, but I couldn't resist) there was something beautiful and haunting about it. The knowledge that this way of worshipping G-d has been largely unchanged for almost 2000 years - and that in that experience I shared that much history with all of those who have done that before - that was profound.
Others have blogged about the experience:
Andries Louw - Negotiating identity between orthodoxy and emergence.
Cobus van Wyngaard - Orthodox-Emerging dialogue.
Reggie Nel - Vespers worship, strange but intriguing.
Steve Hayes - Orthodox emerging missional dialogue.
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Receive a daily devotional via email during Lent
Posted by: Roger Saner on 22 Feb, 2009
CRM staff from around the world have contributed their reflections to our second Lent Devotional. This edition is woven around the themes of “Thirst”, “Seize”, “Relinquish” and “Prevail” and brings together the power of Scripture and the rich and varied experiences of our staff.Join me and follow it every day on email by signing up at http://www.crmleaders.org/lent/
